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就业(二)

问:能不能介绍下DARDENMBA就业的情况?

答:Here is the job placement information regarding Chinese students in the past two years. We Darden Class 2008 will be working hard to keep the tradition of 100% job placement rate for Chinese students.

Class 2007 (Summer Job)

Bain China(1)
Bank of America NYC(2)
JP Morgan Chase NYC (1)
Enrst & Young USA(1)
Constellation Energy USA (1)
A Private Equity firm in USA (1)

PBM Product (USA) (1)
Whirlpool China (1)

Class of 2006

Medtronic, Inc China(1)
Midwestveco (USA) (1)
Johnson and Johnson China (1)
McKinsey China (1)
Bank of America (USA), Risk Management (1)
Standard & Poors (USA), Structured Finance (1)
Danaher (Rotation program in USA)  (1)

Class of 2005
AT Kearney (1)
Dupont (2)
Eaton China (1)
Cargill China (1)
Johnson&Johnson Singapore (1)
BCG US (1)

问:不过,看来也只有很少同学找到顶级工作。据我所知,几家前15名以后的学校的中国同学就业情况也很好。几个10万以上,几个8-10万,几个8万以下。当然,这些人当中也有当初被前15名录取,但选择了靠后学校的全奖。(似乎前10名的录取是无法抗拒的)。

看来,进了前15名的学校就应该瞄准顶级工作,这类工作前15名以后的学校确实非常难进。但是如果是9万左右比较好的工作,是否是前15名的学校就不重要了。

答:there're different understanding of "top" job. Someone might really like consultanting/IB but others might not like. Also those job that looks ordinary might be actually very interesting. For example graduates in 2006, the girl entered Bank of American actually got Mikensy offer(China) but she rejected. And you might be interested to know that the salary of the Danaher one is higher than 100K.

That said, IB is challanging for Chinese in Darden though it's not impossible. So if you are set to do IB after graduates, you might wanna consider those "finance school". Consultanting is a strength of Darden's placement though no one can ensure you get and MC offer.

问:毕业后的薪酬怎么样?

 

答:It's really depends what industry are you in. if you want to earn 200-300K in IB, you probably need to work 100 hours, if you want to earn 100K in consultanting, you probably need to work 60-70 hours, if you want to earn 80K-130K in industry (it's very rough number) you probably work 40-60 hours.

问:能介绍下今年(07年)的情况吗?

 

答:Below is the update of job placement information of Chinese Darden MBA class of 08 and 07:

class 08's summer intern: Class 08, all of us got summer internship offers (some got multiple offers) : (1) Bain &Company (MC in hongkong), (1) Danaher (General Managent, USA), (1) Avaya (Supply Chain Management, USA); Constellation Energy (Corporate Finance, USA)  ,GE China, Johnson&Johnson (Marketing, CHINA), and a Venture Capital firm in Washington D.C. 

Class 07: Full-time: 7 chinese students in total: all of them have got offers : Tyco International (Corporate finance, USA), Enrst &Young (Leadership program, USA), (2) Lexis Nexis(Leadership program), Johnson&Johnson (Corporate finance, CHINA) , Bain (China) ,and PBM Products (pharmaceuticals--General management, USA).

 

问:Darden 毕业后去buy side, portforlio management 的多么?

答:It is not easy to get a job with a buy side investment management firm from any school. Darden has a Capital Management Club, and I know many of them (most of them are Americans) got a job in portfolio management. Companies do come to recruit at Darden, such as T.Rowe.Price, Fidelity, MetLife, EverGreen Investment, etc. But you need to network off-campus as well to reach out to those mutual & hedge funds. If this is your main focus, you may want to consider those finance schools, such as Chicago, NYU, Wharton, etc. (they have a better alum network in buy side)

 

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就业

问:学校的career service如何?在入校和后来都做了那些工作来帮助学生找internship和找工作?

答:Career service is Darden's strength. Before we enter school, we need to do extensive online career testing, which helped us to identify "Who I am", "What I want to do", "What I can do". Also we need to submit a really refined resume before the course start.

Not sure about the service in School yet but I know that Darden's alumnis are very helpful. They are willing to spend time/effort to help you. One example  is in my company, where my boss graduated from Darden and is taking a senior position, while we have a 03 Darden graudates. They have constant discussion and mentoring time, and my boss is helping the younger one to find better chance inside our company.

问:学校对学生的就业帮助是怎样的?

答:In Darden the CDC (career development center) take career of students seriously. We have a 4 step process to follow in the whole 2 years, and each student is assigned with a career consultant from Sep, by major functions you want to work in.

Another big infor we get is that this year Darden enjoyed a HUGE increase in yield rate, that's the rate % of pepole taking offer vs. offers being send out. The result is that Darden sent less offer but turned out more student entering, and the school have to deffer and/or encourage deffer of some students to next year.

the class of 2005就业率怎么样?

答:Key Highlights of the class of 2005 employment statistics,FYI:

86% of students received first offer by graduation;

97% of students received first offer by 3 months post-graduation;

44% of students accepted jobs in Finance;

21% of students accepted jobs in Consulting;

36% of students accepted jobs in the Northeast region;

For additional in-depth data about employment statistics for the class of 2005 & 2006, you are invited to visit: 
www.darden.virginia.edu/career
http://www.darden.virginia.edu/career/employmentreportindex.htm

问:我想问下,dardenmedical行业的就业如何。darden是为了southern elites而设,那么她的毕业生在sounthern就业应该很不错吧。darden的教学除了case study的特色外,哪个专项比较强些,比如marketing, finance, mis, health care managementetc

答:Darden is quite strong in general management, that gives Darden advantage to consultanting and industry. Also University of Virginia has a Basten insititute which focus on entrepreneurship, there's amount of resource encouraging students to do business, like business plan competition, fund etc. Also there's a full-schorlarship for entrepreneurship each year in China.

When we talk about medical industry, I am not an expert since my industry is in IT. But this year, 2 out of 3 students who came back China entered medical device company, one in J&J. Their job/salary are pretty good. Below are the major companies recuriting in Darden bothe for summer intern and full time for your reference:


Class of 2005
Class of 2006
Top Hiring Companies
Summer Internships
Consulting
A.T. Kearney
Bain & Company
Booz Allen Hamilton
Deloitte
Everest
McKinsey & Company
ZS Associates


Consumer Products
Johnson & Johnson
Nike
PepsiCo
Procter & Gamble
Wyeth Consumer Healthcare

Energy
ConocoPhillips
Duke Energy
Exxon Mobil
Intrinergy

Financial Services
American Express
Bank of America
Bear Stearns
Citigroup
Credit Suisse First Boston
Deutsche Bank
Goldman Sachs
JPMorgan Chase
Legg Mason
Lehman Brothers
MassMutual Financial Group
Merrill Lynch
Morgan Stanley
Progressive Insurance
SG Cowen & Company
Standard & Poor’s
Updata Partners
Wachovia Securities

Manufacturing
Armstrong
Danaher
DuPont
GE FANUC
Gilbarco Veeder-Root
Tyco
United Technologies
Pharma/Bio/Healthcare
Pfizer
Upstate
Retail/Wholesale
Target

Technology/Communications
Avaya
Dell
IBM
Landmark Communications, Inc.
Microsoft
Sprint Nextel
TRX


Full-Time Employment
Consulting
A.T. Kearney
Bain & Company
Booz Allen Hamilton
The Boston Consulting Group
Deloitte
Everest
First Annapolis
IBM
McKinsey & Company
The Monitor Group
PRTM
ZS Associates
The Zyman Group
Consumer Products
General Mills
Johnson & Johnson
Kraft Foods

Financial Services
Bank of America
Citigroup
Goldman Sachs
Houlihan Lokey Howard & Zukin
JPMorgan Chase
Lehman Brothers
M&T Bank
Merrill Lynch
Morgan Stanley
Standard & Poor’s
UBS
Wachovia Securities

Manufacturing
Cargill
Danaher
DuPont
General Electric
General Motors
The McGraw-Hill Companies
United Technologies

Real Estate
Centex
Trammell Crow Company
Retail
Circuit City

Target

Technology/Communications
Dell
EDS
Intel Corporation
Sprint Nextel

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生活

问:dardencase method是否导致学习非常辛苦,通常要学习到几点呢?我听说duke的学习相对轻松些。不知各位校友的亲身体验如何?

答:Heard that normal sleeping time is 12:00 AM, so it is hard. But no pain, no gain. The first year is rather challenge but the second year is very relex from what I heard. It's true, Darden is hard. So if you just want to enjoy 2 year's US life, do not apply for Darden. But if you want to learn some down-to-earth business and be ready to be a CEO, come to Darden!

Let me share with you my opinion on the case method here at Darden.
I dont want to waste your time reading this threas  with the informaton you can get with GOOGLE and "official" Darden pamphlet..
So , here is the truth.

Darden is not for everybody.

Before you apply for B-School, you need to ask yourself a big question "What do I want out of it?"
If you want to get solid cross-principle general management professional training,  move your English communication skills to a whole new level,  and have close-knit friends and alumni you can count on, then Darden is the answer.

Note that I said "English" communication skills. if you want to land a job in North America, Darden will be one of your top choices. Today at the international orientation session, our career development director Mr. errerate just emphasised that the No.1 criteria Top recruiter ( Banking and Consulting firms such as Mckeinsy and Goldman Sach) are looking for when they came on campus is : communcation skills.
On the other hand, if you plan to go back China after your 2 years, Darden may not be your best choice, in my opinion -  you dont really need the English communication skills, and Let's face it, Darden dont have particularly large alumni network in China, so it might not help your Business in China. After all, We are still a "small" school.

Yes, it is tough. Darden is still the most rigorous MBA program in TOP B schools in US.
Take it as a challenge, a challenge to improve yourself on time management, multiple-tasking and teamwork. Let me explain why it is a challenge for teamwork. Darden deliberately design the program so that the workload has to shared with the team. It is mission impossible to do it on your own. During today's panel dscussion with several SY ( second year ) students, one of the guys said that it took him too long to realize that he is not the smartest guy in the room. If he were given another chance to re-live the first year, he would involve more on the learn team and reply more on the learning team to get things done. 

You need to be confident with your english, comfortable with elaborating your thoughts on a given topic in a structural and logical way in front of a group of elites from various part of the world.

So, are you "Darden material" ?

问:I got some rumor that there is already a new Darden student from China choose to quit for the unbearable workload and pressure, is that true?

答:In a way, yes Darden is a hard working school, requires high communication skill and hard working to succeed. So if you are expecting some parties everyday, please consider it again, there're many schools BUT darden to choose. But, in Darden, you learn real staff, and those are something you can count on in your whole life. The case methord, once you get used it, you will just LOVE it. Do you still remember the days in university that you either do not go to class or sleep in the class? In Darden that will never happen because you are so EXCITED to learn, discuss and lead!

All Darden materials/cases are putting you in a general manager point of view to learn different perspectives of business. For example in accounting you are not learn to be a good accountant, that's the responsiblity of accounting department. Darden teach you to learn to use accounting as a management tool, and a business lauangue, thus you can make well-rounded decision with all the accounting information and analysis you get.  And in the end, you are able to synegize all these stuff and thus build your own framework of managing business. This methord helps you to be a general manager and also benefit your career as a consultant, i-banker, cooperate finance...because all these jobs need a overall understanding of the business world.

问:不这种状况是否和我们非英语母语以及本身中国学生对未来就业的期望比较大有关?还是说这种状况在校园内就是很普遍的,不管你是中国学生、韩国学生、印度学生还是什么英国、美国学生?

mainly because the pressure on study. Actually US students in Darden are also very diligent. The thing is, Darden requires a lot of work, so everyone need to work hard to meet the basic requirement. And if you want to do more, you need to spend more time.

The difference between Asian student (excluding Indian students) and US students is, we read much slower. So when you are facing a 10 page case (2-3 cases/day), you need to spend a lot of time to at least digest it first. Then you need to spend time to crack the case. reading+cracking case will take you somewhere around 3-6 hours/day. Then you need to go to your learning team everyday, spending 2-3 hour discussing, debating the best solution to the cases. After learning team, some classmate choose (especially Japanese ones) to work more on the cases, to make sure digest it fully. The next day, you will go to your class (the ones in your learning team are not in your class ), and discuss again with your classmates, and professor will lead the whole discussion.

The advantage of Chinese students is: most of us  are pretty good at math and conceptual thinking, both of which are required HEAVILY in Darden. So, probably you can crack the case faster

The greatness of this "case" methord is: you learn things 3 times by different angle: yourself, a small team, and a large team+professor, ensuraing you almost never forget what you learnd.  Also you are in a team enviornment everyday which force you to be familar with this kind of orgnization - which is very popular in current industry. The learning team also force you and american student to mingle together everyday, helps you to be adapt to us culture sooner. The downside is that it's very time consuming. That's the major reason many people spend so much time on studying.

On the other hand, in Darden you need to be able to "Prioritize" things otherwise you just cannot do everything. But you need to be very clear on what you want before you can prioritizing things, that's why BOSCO emphasizing that. If you don't know clearly what you want the most, and want to do everything, you are going to suffer. But if you do have a list with different prioritization, you can choose go give up something and make your life easier. "Prioritization" is very important skill for any senior position, you are going to be busy in the future anyway , so , learn the skill in your early stage will only enhance you. Also, some people said, if you can survive Darden, you can survive anywhere. You do have the confidence to deal with any difficult sitiuation!

All that being said, Darden's workload is much much easier than 2-5 years ago. I believe in some old days Darden people need to work 6 days/week, 3 cases/day. Now it's 5 days/week, 2-3 cases/day, there're "reading day" duing which you basically do nothing almost everyweek in first quarter and some reading days in second Q. I think that caused the difference between some elder Alumni's opinion and us current sutdents.

 

 

 

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奖学金与贷款

问:darden每年有多少学生能拿到全额奖学金?

答:Very hard to get a full scholarship unless you have previous entrepreneur experience or great leadership. But  for Chinese students (http://www.darden.virginia.edu/financialaid/intMeritSchol.htm), there are zero to one Dean's Scholarship (50% tuition), one China Scholarship ($5000/year), one to two Franklin Family Scholarships ($10000/year) and a new scholarship provided by a Darden Alum  (full tuition waiver for one student from Chinese background, http://www.darden.virginia.edu/news/2006/072606ChengScholarship.htm).  

 

问:Does darden offer full scholarship? Any Chinese student from Mainland received?

答:Yes, there's a entrepreneurship scholarship covered all tuition. Last year (08) no one from China received it, I am not sure about this year.

Besides that, there're some other scholarship Darden is offering, although some of them are not full scholarship. One of them is "Darden China Scholarship" which is for Chinese student ONLY, as far as I know, this might be the first scholarship in top school that targeting CHinese student.

请问:GPA不高对申请这些奖学金影响大吗?

答:I believe top b-schools value all your other merits besides GPA. Your experience, your leadership quality, carries more weight. That said, please do not be confused, you still have a better chance to get in and get scholarship if you have higher GPA/GMAT.

问:请问Darden在大陆的录取者中有没有entrepreneur背景的呢?我大四开始和几个合伙人一起创业,6年,现在公司发展较好,行业领头羊。另外,G较高(770),GPA很低,有没有拿奖的可能?

答:Yes there's a entrepreneurship scholarship, full tuition for admitted students with entrepreneurship experience, and many times this one goes to China.

Last year I was the only applicant in China with entrepreneurship experience but because of some other reasons I didn't get this one. That said, you have great opportunity to get it, if you are admitted.

 

James Su-Ting and Jeanette Wang CHENG Scholarship - half or full tuition - This scholarship shall be used to attract the best and brightest students from East Asia to Darden by providing a two-year scholarship to first year MBA students who have accepted admission to Darden.  The scholarship will be renewed in one’s second year as long as the student is in good academic standing (min. 3.0000 GPA).  First preference shall be for students from Taiwan, China, Hong Kong, Malaysia, Macau, or Singapore.  If these preferences cannot be met, then the scholarship may be awarded to a student from other East Asian countries.

http://www.darden.virginia.edu/html/standard.aspx?menu_id=28&styleid=4&id=798

问:虽然我可以自己负担一部分费用,但我想贷到最高金额,比如Cover 全部Tuition and living exp.,我在I20上写明我要贷全部,那么会不会影响到我通过签证的可能性呢?据说在准备Visa ,要尽可能多的证明自己能Cover 较多的费用成功性才较大?

答:let me put it this way, there're two years, if you want to take loan in each the year, you need mention it on the I-20, but I THINK you might change the number of the second year afterwards. But for the loan in the first year, since you will need to get loan approval before the school issue the I-20, it's set.

But for the second year, you can change the number if you want. But you do need to mention that you will have loan in the I-20, though the number might be smaller than what you really want.

Basically don't worry about loan and Visa. It is true that you get more chance to get passed if you have more fund from yourself, but it is also true that many people passed with little (or 0) personal fund.

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录取

问:darden在中国招的人不多,相应的中国学生之间的networking不如其它有庞大校友网络的学生强,这个劣势如何弥补?今年毕业的中国学生找工作情况如何?07的学生找internship情况具体如何?

答:When you look at the network you need to look at both the size and the connection. It is true that Darden's network is smaller but it is VERY CONNECTed. They are helping each other even if they didn't know each other before. On the other hand, since more and more Chinese students are willing to come back China even they could find good job in US, the network is expanding fast.

The placement for Chinese students this year is GREAT! 3 coming back China, holding MC, marketing position, I know 2 of them definately taking golabal pay though I am not sure how the 3rd one is paied. 5 stays in US, with MC job, leadership program in big cooperate etc.

问:听说darden倾向于招工作经验丰富一些的学生,我三年工作经验,是否相对薄弱些?是不是darden对中国女生不感冒呢?

答:3 girls vs. 4 boys this year, I cannot say that Darden do not like girls. Also we do have a girl who have 3 year experience, though most of us have 4-7 years' experience.

My suggestion is: focus on "If I like this school" than "if I can get into the school", everything is possible.

问:今年darden录取了多少中国人,有多少人获得了奖学金?

答:this year we have about 7 people taking Chinese passport studying in Darden, there are also 4 from Taiwan and Hongkong, and 2-3 people taking American passport.

To be honest, it's a bad year for Chinese year with Scharlorship. There's not too much in the enrolled students, I myself is taking a China scharlorsip which worth ~ 10K$. There was one students taking half schorlarship went to Harvard (not MBA). Traditionally, there would be a full tuitoin schorlarship to a students having entrepreneurship experience, so if you are, give it a good try but do not depend on it.

Overall, when you are talking about top 20 school, do NOT count on the scharlorship since it's very rare, but if you can get it, it would be a plus. Though there is school having rich schorlarship like Emory.

问:Darden一共才收了7Mainland students? 好少...我还以为Darden也是Chinese-friendly..

答:Well Darden did recruit more than 7 but some students choose to defer or go to other schools, that's why there's a "Yield Rate". That said, I don't have the total number of offers that Darden sent, but I know that the yielf rate has been increased comparing to last year, which means more students choose Darden after being admitted.

On the other hand, Darden is a small school, the total students # this year ~330, so if you are comparing with some much bigger school, 7 is not a bad number right?

问:how about the admission rate for Chinese students in Darden?

what's the focus area of Darden, I work as sales for last five years, is this proper to meet the focus of Darden?

答:I can give you a ball-park number for your first question: in the past three years, there were over 100 Chinese applying to Darden every year, about 20% of them got accpeted and yield rate is about 40-50%.

Darden is a General Management school, sales experience is a plus for you to land a general management job. ( one of my classmates has over five years of sales experience in a Fortune 100 firm in China, and he landed a general manager summer intern in the U.S.)

 

 

 

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面试

 

问:I am thinking of going to Darden in Fall 2007. Can you shed some light on the interview process.  Of course, I read what was posted on the official Darden website, but I think it is more accurate to hear the experiences of those who have actually gone through it.

答:In my case, I did my interview with Ms. Cheryl Jones in her admission office on grounds last year. it was very casual and relaxing conversation with normal questions:

* Tell me about yourself starting from college, why you chose your major and continue doing that?

* Any activities back in college? Any leadership role in college?

* What you have been doing after college? Why came to the U.S. for engineering education?

* Anything you feel great during your professional career? What would  your co-workers say about you? 

* Why MBA and why now? How do you see yourself in next five years after MBA? Long-term goal?

* Why Darden?

* What do you do for fun? any hobbies?

* Any questions about Darden?

As you can feel, it was just a conversational interview which took about 40 minutes. Be aware that the interviewer prefers not seeing your resume until the interview is done, which is a blind interview. So please be prepared to be a smooth story teller and then you will knock the interview down.

问:我是Early Round提交申请的,但是没有预约面试,所有的面试都是on campus的。现在材料提交以后,是等学校的面试邀请,还是自己要求面试呢?

Darden的录取官员会到中国来面试申请人吗?

答:Just wait. The interviewer can be admission officer or alumni. You probably want to write a mail to admission officer to confirm.

问:刚刚收到Interview invitation,可是Search的结果是看不到Interviewer的名字和Email,请问怎么办呢?直接按那个Request Interview的按钮吗?这样能 Schedule成功吗?

答:pleasse call admission officer directly for this.

准备坐火车去,不知火车站离Darden校园远不远。

答:There is an Amtrek station in downtown Charlottesville, not too far away but definitely not one that you can reach Darden by foot.  I guess taxi fare should be within $15.

问:准备在Charolettesville住一晚,Darden网站上列了下面这些旅馆,不知哪几家价廉物美而且离校园近(最好步行就可以到达),一般价位是多少。Sponsors Hall,Boar's Head Inn,Cavalier Inn,Clifton Inn,Comfort Inn,Courtyard by Marriott,Days Inn,Doubletree Hotel,English Inn,The Foxfield Inn,Hampton Inn and Suites,Hampton Inn,Holiday Inn University Area,Keswick Hall,Omni Hotel,Red Roof Inn,Residence Inn,Silver Thatch Inn,South Street Inn.

I believe the closest is Sponsor's Hall, it's right next to Darden.  Another choice is Cavalier Inn.  You can definitely reach Darden by foot and I recently host a prospective student from Taiwan and he stayed in Cavalier Inn and loved it.

除上午面试外,与二年级学生午餐和旁听课等活动是否需提前预约。

答:You've got to check that with the Admission Office.  But I believe as next week is the exam week and therefore there is no class for you to visit (that's too bad because Darden's class experience is definitely an eye opening one).

问:我可不可以提前电话问面试人的姓名?Darden面试有什么特别需要注意的地方?

答:You've got to check that with the Admission Office as well. Just be yourself and relax.  Darden interview is very casual and informal.

面试的往返交通与住宿费用是否全部自己解决,Darden能不能负担一部分?

答:I don't think Darden sponsors interview expenses.

问:要求和不要求interview,会不会对录取产生影响呢?我说人在美国那些申请者。谢谢。

I'd suggest you interview if you can, It will only increase your possiblity of being admitted.

Please check with admission officer to confirm if it's NECESSARY.

问:收到面试邀请的兄弟姐妹,几个问题:

1.是以e-mail的方式通知的么?,你们的on-line status是否有变化

2.ad com hub interview 还是alumni interview?

答:我的情况是:以e-mail方式通知,然后看到online status变成了pending alumni interview,然后你就可以点schedule interviewbutton了。

Dardenrolling的,而且发interview非常慷慨。

 

 

 

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